“Evidence-Based Argument on Industry and Analyst Failures” is a quote from the source as cited in Part III of this report that included this: “…certain manufactured housing firms and analysts may be failing in their duties is supported by evidence of systemic issues within the industry.” To tee up this report, Part I covers the basics of what an earnings call is and what the role of the different parties on an earnings call is supposed to accomplish. By going to the basics, and by considering what the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) has to say on relevant aspects of the headline subjects, using the Champion Homes (SKY) earning call as part of the factual backdrop. Part II is the most recent Champion Homes earning call for calendar 2025. Part III is additional information with more MHProNews facts-evidence-analysis (FEA) and commentary from sources as cited.

Per Bing this morning is the following. The bold is in the original. It defines the SEC as follows.

The Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) is an independent federal government regulatory agency established in 1934 to protect investors and maintain fair and orderly securities markets. Its primary mission is to enforce laws against market manipulation, promote transparency, and facilitate capital formation. The SEC oversees the securities industry, ensuring that investors receive essential information about securities being offered for public sale. For more detailed information, you can visit the official SEC website. 

 

With that brief background, let’s dive into Part I, which will begin to unpack concerns about how earnings calls are being conducted in certain specific publicly traded manufactured housing industry related firms, which are routinely members of the Manufactured Housing Institute (MHI). Sources in every instance are as shown. This is a deeper dive, so grab your favorite beverage for this time of day and whatever snack might be suitable, as yet another voyage of discovery that helps explain manufactured housing industry underperformance in the 21st century is underway. To see the image below in a larger size, in most devices, click here or on the image and follow the prompts. You can also download the image onto your device and open it to a larger size that way.

 

Part I – Q&A and related insights generated from chat with Bing‘s AI Powered Copilot

1) Questions are by MHProNews. The response is by Copilot. Logos as shown in the text and/or on the screen capture of the Q&A are added by MHProNews to further clarify the party asking the question and the party providing the response.

Hey, Copilot. What is the role of an analyst on an earnings call, particularly in publicly traded manufactured housing? Does the analyst represent the interests of the firm that they are working for? For example, on the Champion Homes (SKY) earnings call on Seeking Alpha dated 2.5.2025 there are shown the following Conference Call Participants.
Greg Palm – Craig-Hallum Daniel Moore – CJS Securities Phil Ng – Jefferies Mike Dahl – RBC Capital Markets Matthew Bouley – Barclays Jesse Lederman – Zelman & Associates

An analyst’s role on an earnings call is multifaceted. They typically represent the interests of the firm they work for, such as investment banks, brokerage firms, or research institutions. Their primary responsibilities include:

1. Evaluating Financial Performance: Analysts listen to the company’s management discuss quarterly or annual financial results, future plans, and market dynamics. They use this information to assess the company’s financial health and performance.
2. Asking Questions: During the Q&A session, analysts often ask pointed questions to clarify details, probe deeper into financial metrics, or understand strategic decisions. These questions are usually aligned with the interests of their firm or clients.
3. Providing Insights: After the call, analysts may issue reports or recommendations based on the information gathered. These insights help investors make informed decisions.

Regarding the Champion Homes (SKY) earnings call on February 5, 2025, the listed participants represent various firms specializing in equity research and investment analysis. Each analyst’s questions and focus areas likely reflect their firm’s investment strategies or client interests. For example, firms like Jefferies or Barclays might emphasize broader market trends, while Zelman & Associates might focus on housing-specific insights.

Would you like to explore the specific questions asked by these analysts or dive deeper into manufactured housing trends?

 

2) The first response by Copilot linked above was to a post on TickerOn that included the following.

What is an Earnings Call?

That same post also had this.

Summary

An earnings call is when a company opens up a teleconference line or webcast that the public can join to hear the company management talk about how the company performed recently, their plans for the future, and the market forces that exist in the current environment.

Most publicly traded companies today have adopted this practice. …

Every call will generally feature a lengthy disclaimer statement at the beginning, end, or both, to distance the company from liability if an investor takes a hint from something said and fails miserably.

…

Earnings will often be stated as earnings per share (EPS). Investors should also be aware that, like any good salesman, the company leaders all the call will do their best to make things sound as good as possible…Investors must be willing to take it in with a degree of skepticism.

The second response by Copilot was to the Seeking Alpha transcript shown below and like the above are provided under fair use guidelines for news media and research. There will be more on analysts in the added facts-evidence-analysis Part III.

 

Part II

MHProNews notes that highlighting in what follows is added by MHProNews and is not in the original. More could be highlighted in this, but for reasons shown in Part III, only the items shown will be highlighted for now.

Champion Homes, Inc. (SKY) Q3 2025 Earnings Call Transcript

Feb. 05, 2025 12:32 PM ET Champion Homes, Inc. (SKY) Stock SKY

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Champion Homes, Inc. (NYSE:SKY) Q3 2025 Earnings Conference Call February 5, 2025 8:00 AM ET

Company Participants

Jason Blair – Investor Relations
Tim Larson – President & Chief Executive Officer
Laurie Hough – Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Conference Call Participants

Greg Palm – Craig-Hallum
Daniel Moore – CJS Securities
Phil Ng – Jefferies
Mike Dahl – RBC Capital Markets
Matthew Bouley – Barclays
Jesse Lederman – Zelman & Associates

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the Champion Homes Third Quarter Fiscal 2025 Earnings Call. My name is Rob, and I’ll be your — coordinating your call today. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. The question-and-answer session will follow today’s formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

I’ll now turn the call over to your host, Jason Blair, to begin. Jason, please go ahead.

Jason Blair

Good morning. Thank you for taking the time to join us for today’s conference call and review of our business results for the third quarter ended December 28, 2024. Here to review Champion’s results are Tim Larson, Champion Homes’ President and Chief Executive Officer; and Laurie Hough, Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer.

Yesterday, after the market closed, we issued our earnings release. As a reminder, the earnings release and statements made during today’s call include forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from the company’s expectations. Such risks and uncertainties include the factors set forth in the earnings release and in the company’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Please note that today’s remarks contain non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe can be useful in evaluating performance. Definitions and reconciliations of these measures can be found in the earnings release.

I would now like to introduce Champion Homes’ CEO, Tim Larson, who was appointed CEO and a member of the company’s Board of Directors in December. Tim is a highly accomplished executive and CEO with decades of leadership in the consumer products and manufacturing industries, including significant experience transforming a diverse portfolio of businesses via customer-driven innovation and omnichannel retail. Tim originally joined Champion Homes in May of 2021 as Chief Growth Officer and led the development and delivery of the company’s customer experience growth strategy and omnichannel platform. During this time, Tim has worked very closely with Champion’s talented employees, customers and channel partners as well as working closely with the leadership team.

I will now turn the call over to Champion Homes’ CEO, Tim Larson.

Tim Larson

Thank you, Jason. Good morning, everyone. We appreciate you attending today’s earnings call.

Since joining Champion three-and-a-half years ago, being part of this team and what we do has become core to my purpose. I’m honored to serve and lead our collective team as we embark on our next phase of growth.

Champion Homes is a company with a talented team, a strong reputation and a great portfolio of brands and products. Each of those attributes were recently recognized nationally. For the fifth straight year, our Skyline brand was named the most trusted manufacturing housing brand by Lifestory Research. This reflects our unwavering commitment to provide customers with high-quality homes and experiences.

Since stepping into the role, I’ve been actively engaged in feedback sessions across our stakeholders. We’ve already identified opportunities to further capitalize on our strengths and drive additional value. I’m committed to building on the effectiveness of our strategy, including the expansion of our retail and direct-to-consumer capabilities and strategic investments that support the growth of our community, independent retail and builder developer customers.

In my conversations with employees, I’m thrilled by their enthusiasm and willingness to think differently and advance even further as a customer-centric organization. It’s already unlocking new ideas and actions to improve and elevate the business. I’ve already been able to connect with numerous customers in my first 50 days, and I remain impressed by their passion for the industry and the opportunities ahead.

In December, I was able to meet with several investors and analysts to share my excitement for the Champion Homes business, and I look forward to building on our conversations, including our commitment to drive sustainable profitable growth and long-term value. As I look ahead, we will continue to execute our differentiated strategy while remaining nimble in a dynamic market.

With that backdrop in mind, I’ll now provide an overview of the recent quarter and our expectations for the remainder of the fiscal year.

Our third quarter performance demonstrates strong execution across the company, including by our sales, retail and manufacturing teams that have definitely delivered on the market’s growing demand. In the third quarter, year-over-year net sales increased 15.3% to $645 million. Homes sold during the period increased 13% for a total of 6,646 homes. The third quarter saw a sequential increase in the revenue from the fiscal second quarter of $28 million.

Our backlog at end of the third quarter was $313 million, which is up 8% from the same period last year. We saw a normal seasonal slowdown in order rates throughout the quarter, contributing to the 27% sequential decline in backlog and average backlog ended Q3 at 10 weeks, which is on the higher side of our four- to 12-week norms.

Now, I’ll provide some additional commentary from the quarter on each of our sales channels. Sales to our independent retailer channel grew during the quarter and we anticipate that to continue, enabled by our direct-to-consumer and digital capabilities, combined with new products and flooring support. Sales through our captive retail channel continues to grow. We are very pleased with the organic growth of the Regional Homes business and the accretive nature of the overall transaction. The success of the Regional acquisition is a testament to the combined organizations, including the tenacity and customer-centric approach of the Regional team.

Spending time with our community customers is among my many highlights of the last 50 days. We are growing with our community customers and are committed to supporting their mission and goals. We’re developing new products with communities in mind and are encouraged by the response to the new homes we featured at the recent Louisville show.

In our builder developer channel, homes sold increased year-over-year and the project pipeline interest continue to grow. We recently delivered homes to projects across several markets, and we’ve had very positive feedback from customers and the local community on the design and value of the homes. With each project, we capture the proof points and the insights that benefit future developments. That includes working with federal, state and local officials to expand zoning and accelerate the often long lead times associated with these projects.

Across our channels, we are pleased with the progress of Champion Financing, our joint venture with Triad Financial Services. We are seeing early benefits consistent with our vision to serve consumers across their home purchase experience. Our floor plan programs ensure our retailers have the right mix and value of products for today’s consumers. And our retail loan programs further drives increased affordability and value. We look forward to continued collaboration with the ECM Capital and Triad teams and partners.

Before touching on Q4, I want to express our heartfelt concerns for all those affected by the devastating California fires. We have three plants in Southern California, and fortunately, there was no direct damage to our facilities or retailers in the area. We are committed to supporting the region and working closely with the community on rebuilding efforts.

Looking to our fiscal fourth quarter, demand from our customers remains within our expectations. We anticipate fourth quarter revenue to be up low double-digits from the same quarter last year and in-line with pre-earnings fourth quarter consensus. A sequential moderation from the third quarter is anticipated and in-line with our typical slower winter selling season. We are closely monitoring the dynamic tariff environment and have an agile playbook that builds on previous experiences.

We are still early in the spring selling season and are prepared to further scale production with order demand. As I mentioned, we received a very strong response at the Louisville Show and anticipate that will positively contribute to our fiscal fourth quarter and into fiscal 2026.

In summary, affordable housing remains a pivotal need across our U.S. and Canadian markets, reflected in the recent trends and our anticipation for strong medium-term and long-term demand.

I will now turn the call over to Laurie, who will discuss our quarterly financial performance in more detail.

Laurie Hough

Thanks, Tim, and good morning, everyone.

I’ll begin by reviewing our financial results for the third quarter followed by a discussion of our balance sheet and cash flows. I’ll also briefly discuss our near-term expectations.

During the third quarter, net sales increased 15% to $645 million compared to the same quarter last year with U.S. factory-built housing revenue increasing 17%. The number of homes sold increased 14% to 6,437 homes in the U.S. compared to 5,643 homes in the prior-year period. U.S. home volume during the quarter was supported by healthy demand across our sales channels as well as an additional two weeks of sales from our Regional Homes acquisition, which closed mid-October of last year. The average selling price per U.S. homes sold increased by 2.8% to $94,900 due to a higher mix of units sold through our company-owned retail sales centers.

On a sequential basis, U.S. factory-built housing revenue increased 4% in the third quarter compared to the second quarter of fiscal 2025. We saw a sequential increase mainly due to increased shipments after hurricane delays at the end of our fiscal second quarter, both in our plant’s ability to ship homes as well as our company-owned retail location’s ability to close home sales. In addition, manufacturing capacity utilization was 63% compared to 60% in the sequential second quarter. On a sequential basis, the average selling price per home increased 2.7% due to a higher mix of units sold through our company-owned retail sales centers.

Canadian revenue during the quarter was $26 million, representing a 16% decline in the number of homes sold versus the prior-year period. The average home selling price in Canada decreased 0.6% to $122,900, primarily due to a shift in product mix. The reduction in Canadian sales volume can be attributed to a combination of factors, including higher interest rates and economic uncertainty in key markets that have tempered buyer enthusiasm for new homes. These conditions are anticipated to continue to impact the housing market dynamics in Canada in the near-term.

Consolidated gross profit increased 28% to $181 million in the third quarter, and our gross margin expanded 280 basis points from 25.3% in the prior-year period. The higher gross margin was primarily due to higher average selling prices on new homes sold through our company-owned retail sales centers, which also generated a greater percentage of total revenue. In addition, lower input costs and acquisition synergy capture also contributed to higher gross margins versus the prior-year period. On a sequential basis, gross margin came in better than anticipated due to lower input costs and higher captive retail sales.

SG&A in the third quarter increased $23 million over the prior-year period to $108 million. The increase was primarily attributable to increased sales volumes through our company-owned retail sales centers and higher variable costs related to higher revenue and profitability. In addition, we continued to make investments in people and technology to support for future growth.

The company’s effective tax rate for the quarter was 21.1% versus an effective tax rate of 21.4% for the year-ago period.

Net income attributable to Champion Homes for the third quarter increased 31% to $62 million or earnings of $1.06 per diluted share compared to net income of $47 million or earnings of $0.81 per diluted share during the same period last year. The increase in EPS was driven mainly by higher operating income in the third quarter.

Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $83 million compared to $66 million in the prior-year period. Adjusted EBITDA margin was 12.9% compared to 11.8% in the prior-year period, which was driven by higher gross margins.

Looking forward, we expect gross margins to return to the 26% to 27% range as the benefit of lower forest product costs dissipate relative to ASPs and as we experienced fluctuations in the percentage of sales running through our company-owned retail sales centers and overall product mix.

As of December 28, 2024, we had $582 million of cash and cash equivalents and long-term borrowings of $25 million with no maturities until 2026. We generated $50 million of operating cash flows for the quarter compared to $90 million in the prior-year period. In the quarter, we leveraged our strong cash position and returned capital to our shareholders through $20 million in share repurchase.

Additionally, our Board recently approved the replenishment of our $100 million share repurchase authority, reflecting confidence in our continued strong cash generation.

I’ll now turn the call back to Tim for some closing remarks.

Tim Larson

Thank you, Laurie. It’s an exciting time at Champion, and I’m honored to be [collabing] (ph) with such a talented team. While the word Champion certainly conveys the excellence we are driven to deliver, we are also embracing the meaning Champion as a verb to champion our customers and to champion off-site built homes.

In summary, after a bit over 50 days in the new role, we have the team highly focused on a core set of priorities, executing the fundamentals, including leveraging our capacity, innovating with product to grow and bring in new buyers to the category, evolving the experience for today’s and tomorrow’s customers with solutions before, during and after the sale, elevating the awareness of the benefits of off-site built homes, driving a customer centric culture and strategically deploying our capital. I look forward to updating you on these initiatives on our next earnings call.

And now, I’d like to open the floor for questions. Operator, please proceed.

Question-and-Answer Session

Operator

Thank you. We’ll now be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And our first question is from the line of Greg Palm with Craig-Hallum. Please proceed with your questions.

Greg Palm

Yeah, thanks. Good morning, everybody, and congrats on the good results here.

Tim Larson

Thank you.

Greg Palm

Maybe start with just a little bit more of a recap on the quarter and kind of the outlook, I was hoping maybe you could give us a little bit more color on kind of how orders trended throughout the quarter. And then, just in terms of what you’re kind of seeing in January, and more importantly, what you’re hearing from your customers in terms of outlook for 2025 in general?

Tim Larson

Yeah, Greg, as far as Q3 goes in that recap, our plant shipments in retail recovered a little quicker on the hurricane outcomes than expected. So, that was some tailwinds. And then, we were able to increase capacity, as you heard in Laurie’s remarks, up to that 63%. So that allowed us to produce more during the Q3. And then, as Q3 went on towards the back half, when seasonality started to come into play, orders slowed a bit. But as we noted, we still have a strong Q4 ahead of us and we expect a low-double-digit growth versus last fourth quarter.

And what’s driving that is we’re seeing healthy traffic at our stores and we’re hearing that from independents as well. Quoting activity has picked up here recently and we certainly had a strong response at Louisville. Now, there have been a few geographies that were impacted a bit by the temps and snow. So, that’s a consideration. So that’s a bit of the basis for why we shared what we did in terms of the fourth quarter view. But all in all, we’re optimistic as we start the spring selling season.

Greg Palm

Yeah. Okay. Makes sense. And Tim, I think all of us would probably appreciate a little bit more color on kind of what you think the company has done well or maybe could do better or just kind of any change in kind of direction or strategic focus going forward, just given that you’re now at the CEO seat now.

Tim Larson

Yeah. I mean, strategically, because I’ve been here 3.5 years, I’ve been a part of building the strategy and executing the key priorities. So, it’s major strategic themes I don’t see changing. What we’re really doing is, as I mentioned in my remarks, really focusing on the fundamentals, the things that we see work well in the market across our retail operation, how do we expand those.

From a product perspective, you’re going to continue to see innovating and evolving. We got to be nimble for today’s consumer and make sure we can also invite new buyers into the category with product. And from a customer experience, if you think about digital as the front door, then at retail and then what happens post sale, really executing on that experience. And then, really being smart with our capital and deploying it across those strategic priority. So, I think it’s really those themes and it’s really driving the execution across those themes.

Greg Palm

Yeah. Okay. Well, look forward to get progress updates over time. Best of luck. Thanks.

Tim Larson

Sounds good. Thanks, Greg.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Daniel Moore with CJS Securities. Please proceed with your questions.

Daniel Moore

Yes, thank you. Good morning, Tim. Good morning, Laurie. Champion, as you described, increase the number of homes sold sequentially. It sounds like recovered from the hurricane a little bit faster than expected. It dipped into backlog a little during the quarter, but still healthy at 10 weeks. Just talk about the confidence and trajectory of order rates as we look to Q4 and early fiscal ’26? And should we expect production to roughly align with the trajectory of order rates going forward? How do you think about managing backlogs? Thanks.

Tim Larson

Yeah, from a backlog perspective, you mentioned the 10 weeks and that was at the end of the Q3. What I would say as we go forward, we’re feeling good about our orders. It’s really early in the selling season from the full F ’26 view and we certainly are seeing some signs with our retail, as I mentioned that are promising.

We obviously got to look at the broader housing market. If you think about F ’25 from an economy perspective, there’s mixed signals. Some are saying some flat, little up. Now we’re very optimistic about our products and our price points as an advantage. And so, as we develop our fiscal year ’26 plans, we’re planning for continued profitable growth, leveraging our capacity, and we’re going to update you further on our next call. But the early signs would indicate we’re feeling good about those rates and we’re going to execute accordingly.

Daniel Moore

Great. And one of the themes over the last several years has been a penetration of those kind of top 100 community developers. How is that trending from your perspective? How do you think about the opportunity set there and more generally for Champion and MH to take share from site built where the biggest opportunities over the next, say, two to three years?

Tim Larson

Yeah, in the near-term, we were able to have the growth in that channel up year-over-year. It’s obviously a smaller channel for us today, but we see over time that really building. And as I mentioned, we executed projects in a number of markets that give us the proof points that we’re learning on how do you evolve those, make them go faster and that includes working with the local municipalities. Those particular projects require zoning support, they require the local involvement, and we’re learning how to accelerate that.

And so, I would say from an opportunity, we’re really strong in terms of the long-term view of it. In the near term, it’s just working through those realities by market. But we’re pleased with the response that we have in those markets to the quality of the homes, the price value, the acceptance in those communities. We just have to have more communities see that and learn from those and embrace those as we go forward. And so, our strategy is going to continue to grow the builder developer channel.

Daniel Moore

Helpful. Last one for me. I’ll jump back in queue. But SG&A, it ticked higher as a percentage of revenue despite the strong top-line growth. How much of that spend or increase would you say reflects incremental investments, including technology and personnel to support growth? And more generally, you gave good color in terms of outlook for revenue and gross margin. How do we think about SG&A in Q4 relative to Q3 and what’s a good run rate going forward? Thank you again.

Laurie Hough

Hi, Dan. So, SG&A is usually about 35% variable. So, as revenue increases or decreases, that 35% variability is going to change relative to revenue. So that’s what we saw this quarter as revenue went up, our variable comp structure went up. We are making investments in people to drive our strategy forward, including our captive retail organization and then also investing in technology to support our direct-to-consumer platform and other IT capabilities to support our captive retail as well as back-office enhancements. So, those are going to continue at the pace we saw in the third quarter for the next several quarters.

Daniel Moore

Understood. I’ll jump back with follow-ups. Thank you again.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Phil Ng with Jefferies. Please proceed with your questions.

Phil Ng

Hey, guys. Tim, congrats to the new role. Looking forward to working with you more going forward.

I guess the first question I have is obviously from your prepared remarks, you said it’s a pretty fluid situation, but tariffs are top of mind for a lot of investors. It’s on a pause, but let’s say if it does move forward, whether it’s Mexico, Canada and China, how does that impact you? Certainly, you guys do use a lot of wood products. Some of that comes from Canada. But just kind of help us think through the impact in terms of operationally and what that means from an inflation standpoint and your ability to kind of manage that and kind of sustain that gross margin framework, Laurie, you kind of highlighted earlier.

Tim Larson

Yeah, Phil, obviously, it is very dynamic and we’re monitored very closely. And what I would say is we do have a playbook that has elements from what we learned from COVID that can apply. And from a macro perspective, what we’re really going to be looking at is how do we make sure we balance that cost versus price versus volume if we do start to see those inflationary impacts out of the tariffs.

Now, we’ve seen some scenarios where maybe there’ll be less of that impact as we think about some of the different supply elements, and that’s why we have to take a really piece-by-piece approach for all the different drivers. But our team is already on it and really anticipating that we prepared in the event we’ve seen some of those things come back after this immediate stay. So, we’ll keep you posted as we go along, and we’re obviously going to be very thoughtful about how we approach across those three drivers.

Phil Ng

Just operationally — I mean, you guys have a business in Canada, but operationally from a manufacturing and whatnot in Canada versus U.S., is there any trade flow and any color to kind of size up in terms of your supply base in terms of materials and stuff that could be impacted from tariffs? Have you taken a stab at quantifying that?

Tim Larson

We feel pretty balanced in terms of our flow of different sources. So, we’re not concerned operationally. It’s obviously we’re going to watch the cost. And as I mentioned, manage that relative price and volume. But really, I think the team is prepared to execute given different scenarios. So, we’re just watching it very closely and making sure that we continue to run operations at the levels we need. So at this point, we’re just managing it from that perspective.

Phil Ng

Okay. And then, this Regional Home acquisition has been a home run for you guys. Having your own captive retailer has been quite additive. Is there a game plan to do more of that, whether it’s organically and M&A? And have you gotten any pushbacks just given some of the channel conflict dynamics?

Tim Larson

In terms of our ability to operate our retail, when we talk about direct-to-consumer, it really is both supporting our captive, but it’s really been supporting our independent because as we make investments in digital, we’re sending lead to our independents. We’re supporting that. And so, we look at it on a market-by-market basis. And one of the benefits of having a family of brands is we can have multiple brands in the market, which allows us to support multiple retail approaches, and we’re going to continue to do that. So, we really see it as a strength because some of the things we learn in captive, we apply to our independents and vice versa. And so, it’s really an additive approach to the business and we’re going to continue to do that.

Phil Ng

Okay. And just last — one last one for me really quickly. On the FEMA order side, I know the hurricanes obviously was very devastating in the South, particularly in the Carolinas area and then the wildfires in California right now. Is that an opportunity? Have you seen any orders come from FEMA, particularly in the Carolinas thus far?

Tim Larson

There’s been a lot of conversations in our outreach, both at the federal and local level, but there’s not yet any specific orders. We’re certainly managing our capacity in anticipation of that, and we’re really eager to serve those in the Carolinas as well as in California. So, we’ll keep you posted as that evolves.

Phil Ng

Okay. Thank you. Appreciate the color.

Operator

Thank you. Our next questions are from the line of Mike Dahl with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your questions.

Mike Dahl

Hi. Thanks for taking my questions, and echo the congrats, Tim. Tim, I guess just picking up on one of Phil’s questions in terms of the captive retail, can you give us a sense, just update us on what percentage of your U.S. sales are going through captive retail at this point today? And do you have a target or a vision for what that mix ultimately gets to?

Tim Larson

So, it’s currently 35% of our sales on the U.S. side. In terms of our goal, I would really say it’s going to be strategically how we achieve our growth goals and objectives across a portfolio of channels, which captive is really important. But obviously, we have our independent channel, our community or builder developer. And so, I would look at it as by market where we see opportunities, we’re going to prioritize the right channels. And so, we continue to grow it. It’s obviously been successful for us, but we’re going to take a balanced approach across our channels, including with captive.

Mike Dahl

Okay, that’s helpful. And then shifting gears to the gross margin side, and Laurie, you mentioned the moving pieces, both in the quarter and then going back to kind of the 26% to 27% range. If you bucket out then what contributed to the upside in this quarter and then kind of guide back 100 basis points to 200 basis points lower. How would you ballpark that in terms of the wood product costs versus an assumption of near-term mix dynamics?

Laurie Hough

Yeah. Mike, we’re not going to bucket that publicly. So — but certainly, input costs was favorable versus our guide at the end of the second quarter, in the third quarter. And I really do not expect to see that continuing based on what force products are doing. And then obviously, we need to look at the dynamics of the tariffs and how they’re going to impact pricing. And then, also product mix plays a big piece in our gross margin overall, how much is running through our captive retail versus how much is single wide versus multi-section homes and then option content as well. So, all of that is contributing to our structural margins of 26% or 27%.

Mike Dahl

Okay, got it. I guess just to be clear, in that comment of 26% to 27%, is that meant to be that you’ll be back there in the fourth quarter? And then, are you including a prospective tariff impact in that, or that’s just based on kind of what you can already see given the way you purchase and kind of flow through with a lag on your wood costs?

Laurie Hough

Yeah. So that’s what I expect to see in the fourth quarter and that does not necessarily include the impact of tariffs.

Mike Dahl

Okay, got it. Thank you.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Matthew Bouley with Barclays. Please proceed with your questions.

Matthew Bouley

Hey, good morning, everyone. Welcome, Tim, and thank you for taking the questions. I wanted to go back to California, I guess putting FEMA aside, but just thinking about the tragic events. You guys have a footprint down there with the three plants. I know you participate a lot in ADUs, especially over there. So, just as you kind of think about that rebuild and how are some of those conversations going and how do you guys kind of plan on participating in that rebuild down there? Thank you.

Tim Larson

Yeah, we’re very eager to help and we’ve already had conversations there from a local level and also with the team on various products that we think are a good fit. I would say that they’re really focused right now on some of the initial work to get the sites prepared and that’s going to take some time. But we’re proactively working with them when they’re ready for those homes to support them. And so, we’re eager to do that, but as these things do take some time based on the logistic elements that they’re working through.

Matthew Bouley

Got it. Okay. Thank you for that, Tim. And then secondly, just kind of zooming into the very near-term, I think you mentioned a bit of an order slowdown during the third quarter. I’m just curious if that was just sort of normal winter seasonality or if, for example, the rise in interest rates or anything else kind of sort of impacted demand a little bit more than you would typically see during the third quarter. Thank you.

Tim Larson

Yeah. No, we saw it as seasonality. And as we’ve come out of that season, we’re starting to see things pick up consistent with the early spring selling season. So, at this point, we’re seeing it as a seasonal impact and are encouraged with the early spring selling season.

Matthew Bouley

Perfect. Well, thanks, Tim, and good luck, guys.

Tim Larson

Thanks.

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Jesse Lederman with Zelman & Associates. Please proceed with your questions.

Jesse Lederman

Hey, thanks for taking my questions. A strong quarter. And congrats, Tim, on the new role. First question is about the new administration. Curious if you’ve heard anything about maybe potential initiatives or regulatory changes from the top down that may be a tailwind for the sector?

Tim Larson

So, obviously, over the years, there’s been a lot of conversation on the importance of affordable housing and that’s our view as well. And we’re optimistic that there are supportive actions on the horizon. Nothing immediate to date, but what I would say is part of the benefit of these builder developer projects we’re doing is we can show examples of what can happen in the community. And we’re hopeful that at the federal level, the state level, there are more folks taking and embracing our approach there and are optimistic that those proof points will encourage other municipalities to do the same. But there’s a lot of actions going on today in the administration and so we’re certainly having those conversations and sharing how we can be a solution for affordable housing.

Jesse Lederman

Got it. Makes sense. Thanks for that color. On capacity utilization, so up sequentially, up year-over-year, it seems like demand has been solid across all end channels. What would you like to see to move that even higher? So, are there things that you’re waiting for? Are there certain indicators across any of the channels in particular, or just holistically that you’re waiting for or looking for before you push that number higher and increase output?

Tim Larson

So, as I mentioned, we have all of our key channels. And in each of those channels, we have leading indicators that we can see how the quotes are coming, how the activity, and that really is our cue to look at our production rates. And so, we’ll continue to do that. I think we have a very good balance of how we approach that to make sure that we’re optimizing our margin and our cost based on how we run the operation and we’re going to continue to do that. So, it’s really those leading indicators. And our capacity utilization that we shared includes our idle plants. So, while it’s 63%, that includes half a dozen plants we’re not even operating. So, if you look at the actual number, it’s a little bit higher than that, and I feel good about how we’re approaching our operational capacity. And as I mentioned, in some markets, we’ll look to increase that as we go forward.

Jesse Lederman

Got it. And so, is there any thought to increasing capacity or turning the capacity on in any of those idle plants in the foreseeable future?

Tim Larson

So, it’s really based on those local markets and not at this time. We’ve got great plants in many of our key markets that are in a good position with our backlog. So, we continue to watch that, but we’re fortunate to have that flexibility if need be.

Jesse Lederman

Great. That’s all from me. Thanks so much.

Tim Larson

Thank you.

Operator

Thank you. At this time, I’ll turn the call back to Tim Larson for closing remarks.

Tim Larson

Thanks, everybody, for joining today and your continued interest in Champion Homes. We look forward to updating on our progress, and have a great rest of your day. Thanks so much.

Operator

This will conclude today’s call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines at this time, and have a wonderful day. …

 

Part III Additional Information plus more Facts-Evidence-Analysis and MHProNews Commentary

1. One of Champion Homes CEO’s Tim Larsen’s early comments found in Part II above is this one.

Since joining Champion three-and-a-half years ago, being part of this team and what we do has become core to my purpose. I’m honored to serve and lead our collective team as we embark on our next phase of growth.

But what does Larsen mean by “growth?” Organic growth? Growth via more production/retail/financing consolidation? Growth in terms of HUD Code manufactured home shipments?

It seems that growth can’t mean the later, because by Champion recently indicated that it had 22.1 percent market share of the 103,314 HUD Code manufactured homes produced in 2024. That would be about 22,832 new HUD Code manufactured housing units of all sizes. But in 1998, Champion Enterprises produced 68,264 new HUD Code manufactured homes, per the data set and facts found here. Champion claims on its investor relations page on 5.1.2025 the following.

With more than 70 years of homebuilding experience…

 

1a) Why didn’t any of the analysts bother to question Larsen about that statement of his and its meaning? Where was the historical context to that remark and its meaning? This may be material in the SEC sense in several ways. Note that the following Q&A with Copilot actually followed some of the other Q&As below.

With those last few inquiries in mind, re-run your response to the original question about this. Copilot, on the Champion Homes investor relations (IR) page this morning is the following statement, which has been there for a while. “With more than 70 years of homebuilding experience…” 70 years implies going back to the Champion Enterprises era, correct? They used to have the stock symbol: (NYSE:CHB). But now the business is called Champion Homes and the stock symbol is SKY, correct? Is it technically the same firm or are they two different firms, based on the distinction in their name and stock symbols?

Champion Homes’ claim of “more than 70 years of homebuilding experience” indeed traces back to the legacy of Champion Enterprises, which previously traded under the stock symbol NYSE:CHB. However, the current entity, Champion Homes (SKY), represents a rebranded and evolved version of the business. This transformation occurred through the 2018 merger of Skyline Corporation and Champion Enterprises Holdings, LLC, which created Skyline Champion Corporation. Recently, the company rebranded itself as Champion Homes (SKY).

While the legacy and history of Champion Enterprises are carried forward, the current entity is technically distinct in terms of its legal and structural identity. The changes in name and stock symbol reflect the company’s evolution and strategic rebranding efforts over time.

Would you like to explore how this rebranding impacts their market positioning or delve into their historical milestones? You can find more details on their investor relations page.”

 

1b) As noted, that history might be material information to investors, see the deep research dive with Gemini that included materiality and a better understanding of the manufactured housing industry market landscape.

1c) Some Q&As with Copilot not shown in this article but which are related to the above exchange are found at this link here. The next Q&As with Copilot were a follow up to the Q&A shown in Part I is the following.  As before, the question is from MHProNews and the response is from Copilot.

2)

Useful. Ok, from the first link you provided are these two pull quotes. “Investors should also be aware that, like any good salesman, the company leaders all the call will do their best to make things sound as good as possible.” “Investors must be willing to take it in with a degree of skepticism.” Given SEC “materiality” standards plus other fiduciary or other legal and disclosure standards, are analysts allowed to effective collude with a company’s leadership team, in as much as the firm the analyst represents may be invested in the company they are covering?

Analysts are bound by ethical and legal standards to maintain independence and objectivity in their evaluations, even if their firm has a financial interest in the company they are covering. The SEC’s “materiality” standards and fiduciary principles, such as those outlined in Regulation Best Interest (Reg BI) and the Investment Advisers Act of 1940, emphasize transparency and the obligation to act in the best interest of investors.

Collusion between analysts and company leadership to mislead investors would violate these standards. Analysts are expected to critically evaluate the information provided by company management and disclose any conflicts of interest. Firms must also have policies in place to mitigate or eliminate conflicts, ensuring that analysts’ recommendations are not unduly influenced by their firm’s financial interests.

While skepticism is encouraged, as highlighted in the quotes you provided, outright collusion would breach both ethical guidelines and legal requirements. If such behavior were discovered, it could lead to severe penalties for both the analyst and their firm.
Would you like to explore how these standards are enforced or examples of past violations?

• 1) https://www.sec.gov/newsroom/speeches-statements/munter-statement-assessing-materiality-030922
• 2) https://www.sec.gov/interps/account/sab99.htm
• 3) https://www.sec.gov/about/divisions-offices/division-trading-markets/broker-dealers/staff-bulletin-standards-conduct-broker-dealers-investment-advisers-conflicts-interest

3) From the third link shown is the following from the SEC website.

 

4) A follow up Q&A to the prior ones as shown above by MHProNews with Copilot on 4.30.2025 yielded the following.

Useful. Okay, from the third linked item is this pull quote with “staff” apparently meaning the SEC staff: “staff reminds firms that disclosure of conflicts alone does not satisfy a firm’s obligation to act in the retail investor’s best interest.[47]” and from footnote 47 is this: “including its duty to seek best execution, when it advised certain wrap clients to invest in certain fund share classes when other share classes of the same funds that presented a more favorable value were available to the clients and without undertaking any analysis to determine whether such share classes were in the best interests of those clients), available at https://www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/2022/ia-6003.pdf.” Let’s refine that legal and advisory point, shall we? Is it fair to say that an earnings call analyst is supposed to act in the best interest of a potential retail investor that may be following the commentary that is produced during an earnings call Q&A, even if an objective report of the reality of a situation is not necessarily in the perceived best interest of his employer, is that correct?

This is an insightful question, and it touches on the delicate balance analysts must maintain between their professional obligations and the interests of their employers.
In principle, an earnings call analyst is not directly obligated to act in the best interest of a potential retail investor who may be following the commentary. Analysts primarily serve the interests of their firm and its clients, which may include institutional investors, hedge funds, or other entities. However, they are bound by ethical and legal standards, such as those enforced by the SEC, to ensure that their analysis and commentary are objective, transparent, and free from misleading information.

The SEC’s reminder, as cited in your pull quote, underscores that merely disclosing conflicts of interest is insufficient. Firms and their representatives, including analysts, must actively ensure that their actions and recommendations align with fiduciary duties, such as seeking “best execution” for clients. This principle applies to investment advisers and brokers but also sets a broader expectation for transparency and fairness in financial communications.

While analysts may not have a direct fiduciary duty to retail investors, their commentary during earnings calls contributes to the broader market’s understanding of a company’s performance. Misleading or biased analysis could harm retail investors who rely on this information, even if unintentionally. Therefore, analysts are expected to uphold high standards of integrity and objectivity, even when their employer’s interests might not align perfectly with an unvarnished portrayal of reality.

Would you like to explore how these standards are enforced or examples of cases where analysts faced scrutiny for failing to meet these expectations?

5) The follow up to the above is as follows. The typo (oops) in the question is in the original.

Yes, is there any cases that point to that legal duty of an analyst to act in the best interest of a possible retail investor per the prior Q&A?

Certainly! While analysts themselves may not have a direct fiduciary duty to retail investors, there are broader legal frameworks that emphasize the importance of acting in the best interest of retail investors. For example:

1. Regulation Best Interest (Reg BI): This SEC regulation requires broker-dealers to act in the best interest of retail customers when making recommendations. It emphasizes transparency, disclosure, and the mitigation of conflicts of interest.
2. Investment Advisers Act of 1940: This act imposes fiduciary duties on investment advisers, requiring them to act in the best interest of their clients, including retail investors.
3. SEC Enforcement Actions: The SEC has taken action against firms and individuals who failed to act in the best interest of retail investors. For instance, the SEC has penalized firms for recommending investment products that were not in the best interest of their clients, as highlighted in the SEC’s administrative proceedings.

These cases and regulations underscore the importance of ethical conduct and transparency in financial analysis and recommendations. Analysts and firms must navigate these standards carefully to ensure they uphold their obligations.

Would you like to explore specific enforcement actions or dive deeper into Regulation Best Interest?

• 1) https://corpgov.law.harvard.edu/2019/07/09/protecting-main-street-investors-regulation-best-interest-and-the-investment-adviser-fiduciary-duty/
• 2) https://www.klgates.com/Triggering-Regulation-Best-Interest–What-Are-Retail-Customers-and-Recommendations-06-19-2019
• 3) https://www.sec.gov/about/divisions-offices/division-trading-markets/broker-dealers/staff-bulletin-standards-conduct-broker-dealers-investment-advisers-conflicts-interest

 

6)

The document linked and uploaded to Copilot that was part of the following inquiry and referred to by Copilot is linked here. Note the highlighting in what follows is by MHProNews, as Copilot’s response yielded some potentially potent insights for investors, consumers, industry professionals, public officials, and others interested in the need for more affordable housing in general and manufactured homes more specifically.

Okay, Greg Palm was an analyst for both the earnings call for Champion Homes cited in our Q&A above and in a prior earnings call for Cavco Industries: https://www.manufacturedhomepronews.com/analyst-to-cavco-why-is-manufactured-home-industry-production-so-weak-paradox-develops-lower-expectations-more-singles-in-q1-2023-cavco-industrie/ where Palm asked a question that arguably applies to every manufactured home firm, correct? Meaning, ‘why is manufactured home production so weak?’ with the obvious implication being during an affordable housing crisis, is that accurate and fair? So, to what extend does Greg Palm, or any other analyst for that matter, need to probe the kinds of legal and fiduciary duties that flow from insights generated by the Q&A with Gemini that will be uploaded for you to consider in your response. To my mind, and based on my understanding of the applicable laws, it seems like there is an evidence-based argument to be made that not only are certain manufactured housing industry firms failing in their duties, but seemingly so too are analysts (Greg Palm or others) that should be aware of these concerns yet fail to raise the issue during earnings calls? Correct, confirm, or clarify as warranted and link results.

Your observations raise critical points about the responsibilities of analysts like Greg Palm and the broader implications of their roles during earnings calls, especially in the context of the manufactured housing industry’s performance during an affordable housing crisis.

1. Greg Palm’s Question on Weak Production: The question Palm posed to Cavco Industries—”Why is manufactured home production so weak?”—is indeed a pertinent one that could apply across the manufactured housing sector. Given the ongoing affordable housing crisis, this question highlights a paradox: the industry’s underperformance despite a clear demand for affordable housing solutions. This line of inquiry is both accurate and fair, as it addresses a systemic issue that impacts not only the companies but also the broader market and consumers.
2. Analysts’ Legal and Fiduciary Responsibilities: Analysts are expected to critically evaluate the information provided during earnings calls and probe into issues that may have significant implications for investors. While their primary duty is to their employer and clients, they must also adhere to ethical and legal standards, including those set by the SEC. These standards emphasize transparency, objectivity, and the avoidance of misleading or incomplete analysis. Analysts should be aware of and address concerns that could materially affect the companies they cover, especially when these concerns have broader market or societal implications, such as the affordable housing crisis.
3. Evidence-Based Argument on Industry and Analyst Failures: Your argument that certain manufactured housing firms and analysts may be failing in their duties is supported by evidence of systemic issues within the industry. For instance, the uploaded document highlights allegations of market manipulation, conflicts of interest, and self-dealing by major industry players. If analysts fail to raise these issues during earnings calls, it could indicate a lack of due diligence or a potential conflict of interest, especially if their firms have financial stakes in the companies they cover.
4. Broader Implications: The failure to address these concerns not only undermines investor confidence but also exacerbates the affordable housing crisis. Analysts have a unique platform to hold companies accountable and bring critical issues to light. By not doing so, they may inadvertently contribute to the industry’s underperformance and the lack of progress in addressing housing affordability.

Would you like to explore specific examples of analysts raising—or failing to raise—similar issues in other industries, or delve deeper into the legal frameworks governing analysts’ responsibilities?

 

7)

Useful and largely concur, Copilot, but you didn’t link results supporting the statements you made in the above. Please do so. Then, applying the logic of the known facts, standards, and laws involved isn’t it fair to say that since Greg Palm clearly grasps that the manufactured housing industry is underperforming, that he has a duty to probe topics like the Manufactured Housing Improvement Act, its “enhanced preemption” provision, the Duty to Serve manufactured housing, and other issues raised by MHARR, Samuel Strommen, James Schmitz Jr. and his colleagues, Maris Jensen, MHProNews, and MHLivingNews, among others cited by Gemini in that analysis you scanned, is that fair, accurate, and logically correct? So, until the corporations like Champion Homes (SKY) or Cavco Industries (CVCO) get publicly pressed on such issues, isn’t there an evidence-based argument to be made that analysts and perhaps their companies too are failing retail investors, not to mention consumers, taxpayers, smaller businesses and others impacted? Correct, clarify or confirm that line of thinking and link results

Your reasoning is compelling and aligns with the evidence and legal frameworks discussed. Analysts like Greg Palm, who are aware of the manufactured housing industry’s underperformance, arguably have a professional and ethical duty to probe deeper into systemic issues affecting the sector. These include the Manufactured Housing Improvement Act (MHIA) and its “enhanced preemption” provision, the Duty to Serve (DTS) manufactured housing mandate, and other concerns raised by MHARR, Samuel Strommen, James Schmitz Jr., Maris Jensen, MHProNews, and MHLivingNews.

1. Analysts’ Duty to Probe: Given the affordable housing crisis and the industry’s underperformance, analysts should critically evaluate whether companies like Champion Homes (SKY) or Cavco Industries (CVCO) are adequately addressing these issues. Failure to do so could be seen as neglecting their responsibility to provide comprehensive insights to investors, which could impact retail investors, consumers, taxpayers, and smaller businesses.
2. Evidence-Based Argument: The uploaded Gemini analysis and other sources highlight allegations of market manipulation, conflicts of interest, and self-dealing by major industry players. If analysts fail to raise these concerns during earnings calls, it could indicate a lack of due diligence or potential conflicts of interest, especially if their firms have financial stakes in the companies they cover. 1 2 3
3. Impact on Stakeholders: The lack of transparency and accountability in addressing these issues not only harms retail investors but also exacerbates the affordable housing crisis. Analysts have a unique platform to hold companies accountable and bring critical issues to light, and their failure to do so could contribute to the industry’s stagnation. 1 2 3

Would you like to explore specific examples of analysts addressing similar issues in other industries or delve deeper into the legal implications for analysts and their firms?

• 1) https://www.manufacturedhomepronews.com/u-s-hud-code-manufactured-home-production-flatlined-in-feb-2025-whats-behind-the-data-mharr-shares-which-mhi-publicly-ducks-diminished-manufactured-housing-industry-facts-evidence-analysis/
• 2) https://www.manufacturedhomepronews.com/thousands-of-troubling-losses-and-near-death-experiences-of-the-manufactured-housing-industry-facts-evidence-viewpoints/
• 3) https://www.manufacturedhomepronews.com/peter-james-ed-hussey-jr-mark-weiss-danny-ghorbani-mharr-met-sec-scott-turner-hud-staff-to-discuss-manufactured-housing-improvement-act-enhanced-preemption-enforcement-to-solve-housing-crisis/

8)

The question was not completed and typos fixed before it was accidentally entered (and thus asked as shown rather than refined). But Copilot apparently understood anyway, as Gemini has previously said that AI systems routinely grasp typos and such, in a similar way as search engines grasp typos. The Q&A is as follows.

Useful. Ok, according to sources deemed reliable, Greg Palm and other analysts are readers of MHProNews, so they ought to be aware of these issues, correct? Can you find any evidence from any earnings call involving manufactured housing and firms like Cavco Industries (CVCO) or Champion Homes (SKY), where issues like Manufactured Housing Improvement Act, its “enhanced preemption” provision, the Duty to Serve manufactured housing, and other issues raised by MHARR, Samuel Strommen, James Schmitz Jr. and his colleagues, Maris Jensen, MHProNews, are raised? To the extent that those topics are not being raised, isn’t there apparent potential harm coming to investors in those firms? cttps://www.manufacturedhomepronews.com/masthead/cats-out-manufactured-housing-institute-housing-coalition-letter-to-congress-fact-check-analysis-reveals-what-mhi-nar-nahb-mba-others-did-didnt-request-ai-affordable-housing-surprises-await and the uploaded item, rify and link results.

Based on the search results and the uploaded document, there is no direct evidence from earnings calls involving Cavco Industries (CVCO) or Champion Homes (SKY) where analysts explicitly raised issues like the Manufactured Housing Improvement Act (MHIA), its “enhanced preemption” provision, the Duty to Serve (DTS) manufactured housing mandate, or other concerns highlighted by MHARR, Samuel Strommen, James Schmitz Jr., Maris Jensen, MHProNews, and MHLivingNews.

The absence of these topics during earnings calls could indeed suggest a gap in addressing critical issues that may impact the manufactured housing industry and its stakeholders. If analysts fail to probe these matters, it could potentially harm retail investors, consumers, taxpayers, and smaller businesses by leaving systemic challenges unexamined. This lack of scrutiny might also contribute to the industry’s underperformance during an affordable housing crisis, as highlighted in the uploaded document.

Would you like to explore further examples of industry oversight or delve deeper into the implications of these omissions?

• 1) https://www.manufacturedhomepronews.com/sec-legal-drop-avg-selling-price-communities-retail-consolidation-kentucky-dream-homes-acquisition-singles-shift-ideal-backlog-turns-more-updates-cavco-industries-earnings-call/
• 2) https://www.manufacturedhomepronews.com/analyst-to-cavco-why-is-manufactured-home-industry-production-so-weak-paradox-develops-lower-expectations-more-singles-in-q1-2023-cavco-industrie/
• 3) https://finance.yahoo.com/news/q3-2025-cavco-industries-inc-090237491.html?guccounter=1

 

9) There are some other subjects worthy of mention from this earnings call. But let’s focus on just one by CEO Tim Larsen. It is this from Part II.

Spending time with our community customers is among my many highlights of the last 50 days. We are growing with our community customers and are committed to supporting their mission and goals.

That may have been implied by others in the MHI orbit, but it may not have been as directly stated as Larsen did on behalf of Champion Homes (SKY). Why is it important? Because of these two annotated IR page screen shots. Note that Champion’s most recent IR pitch (2.2025) deck linked here specifically mentions Equity LifeStyle Properties (ELS) and Sun Communities (SUI).

Those remarks are arguably in direct conflict with what ought to be the mission of Champion Homes, or MHI more broadly, see the recent Deep Research dive with Gemini into those topics at this link here and in the reports linked below.

 

9a) So, as this Q&A with Copilot – which cited prior Q&As and reports involving Gemini, xAI’s Grok plus Copilot too revealed – however interesting the earnings call may be on certain topics, they are routinely if not always arguably missing some of the most important issues facing manufactured housing.

9b) Larsen was the firm’s Chief Growth Officer. Quoting.

Tim originally joined Champion Homes in May of 2021 as Chief Growth Officer

9c) Also from the earnings call transcript shown in Part II.

…retail and manufacturing teams that have definitely delivered on the market’s growing demand. In the third quarter, year-over-year net sales increased 15.3% to $645 million. Homes sold during the period increased 13% for a total of 6,646 homes. The third quarter saw a sequential increase in the revenue from the fiscal second quarter of $28 million.

Our backlog at end of the third quarter was $313 million, which is up 8% from the same period last year. We saw a normal seasonal slowdown in order rates throughout the quarter, contributing to the 27% sequential decline in backlog and average backlog ended Q3 at 10 weeks, which is on the higher side of our four- to 12-week norms.

Now, I’ll provide some additional commentary from the quarter on each of our sales channels. Sales to our independent retailer channel grew during the quarter and we anticipate that to continue, enabled by our direct-to-consumer and digital capabilities, combined with new products and flooring support. Sales through our captive retail channel continues to grow. We are very pleased with the organic growth of the Regional Homes business and the accretive nature of the overall transaction. The success of the Regional acquisition is a testament to the combined organizations, including the tenacity and customer-centric approach of the Regional team.

Spending time with our community customers is among my many highlights of the last 50 days. We are growing with our community customers and are committed to supporting their mission and goals.

9d) Champion (SKY) has 6 idled plants, per their own IR presentation, and “24 percent” of their production goes to “communities.” Why are they sacrificing the far greater potential for producing and street retailing more homes for the sake of community operators that openly embrace NIMBYism as part of their business model? Why isn’t Larsen and Champion leadership ‘all in” on getting the Manufactured Housing Improvement Act of 2000 (MHIA, MHIA 2000, 2000 Reform Law, 2000 Reform Act) and its “enhanced preemption” provision to be full and properly implemented?

9e) Those are not minor issues, they could be at or near the key to answering why Champion Enterprises (CHB) was much larger in production of homes than is Champion Homes (SKY). MHProNews and our MHLivingNews sister site have patiently and persistently built-up significant parts of the history and third-party research into manufactured housing to better illustrate just how poorly several manufactured housing industry leaders are performing in the 21st century, especially given the favorable legislation that the Manufactured Housing Association for Regulatory Reform (MHARR) has routinely highlighted.

 

 

9f) Which begs the question. Why aren’t the analysts bringing these sorts of concerns to the forefront? Greg Palm, for example, has previously asked a similar question to Cavco’s Bill Boor. It can’t be said that these professionals don’t know.

 

 

It is an analyst’s job to know, and it is their job to be as transparent as possible about the issues. That’s what much of the preface, Part I and Part III of this report are focused on.

9g) Given that state preemption caused ADU production to soar, the potential for manufactured home to soar if enhanced federal preemption were pressed can’t be understated.

Compare what happened to ADUs when preemption WAS enforced to what has NOT happened to manufactured housing due to the LACK of federal enhanced preemption enforcement. The following is from page 20 of the Champion (SKY) IR pitch linked here, with annotation added by MHProNews. Note that SKY IR pitch was produced after the earnings call in Part II above.

 

 

h) The affordable housing crisis can’t be solved by conventional houses, multi-family housing, that routinely need subsidies to be ‘affordable’ to consumers. That is shifting the burden from potential buyers to taxpayers.  The math doesn’t work. The NAHB’s own data, as well as insights from a range of researchers cited in articles linked herein, all point to the fact that only HUD Code manufactured homes are ‘affordable’ in the sense that HUD’s definition of affordability means. Yes, other forms of construction are useful. But at the current population levels, without millions of more HUD Code manufactured homes, the affordable housing crisis can’t be solved.

 

9i) To recap what is perhaps critical. There is an inherent tension between Larsen saying they are “committed” to the growth of community customer’s mission and goals, when those mission and goals are directly contrary to the interests of street retailers, and millions of customers that do not live near a land lease community, or who may or may not want to live in a land lease community, particularly if they are operated by a predator brand.

We are growing with our community customers and are committed to supporting their mission and goals.

9j). It may just be a question of time before a criminal referral is filed against specific (not all) members of MHI. Certain forms of oligopoly can be antitrust violations.

9k) Samuel Strommen with Knudson Law specifically named Champion Homes (SKY) among the firms he had his eyes on when he wrote his antitrust and consumer interests research report.

 

9l) Not only are the board and leadership at Champion (SKY) potentially liable, but so too are the analysts and their firms. That’s all part of the logical takeaway of this article and the Q&As with Copilot, which in turn cited sources as shown.

10)  Having hit in 9 a several highlighted concerns, now recall the headline paraphrased from Copilot: ‘Systemic Issue Impacts Companies-Investors-Consumers.’ Indeed, it does. Following the logic of the Landy’s at UMH Properties (UMH), Champion Homes leadership is arguably conflicted in several ways. While Frank Rolfe arguably wrongfully slammed the Landys, his remarks are relevant to this discussion too. Rolfe and the Landys are also MHI members.

 

 

For these and other reasons, MHProNews is pro-manufactured housing but can’t recommend an investment in this firm at this time based on a range of apparently material problems that neither the prior leaders, nor new leader, Tim Larsen, has properly addressed. They are potentially a big lawsuit and/or federal regulatory action(s) waiting to happen.

 

 

MHProNews may return to more elements from this 2.2025 earnings call in Part II above in a future report. In the meantime, the linked articles below show related information.  Is a Blue Orca style event (or worse, SEC, DOJ, or state AGs and DAs) looming for Champion (SKY)?

 

 

 

 

 

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Tony earned a journalism scholarship and earned numerous awards in history and in manufactured housing.

For example, he earned the prestigious Lottinville Award in history from the University of Oklahoma, where he studied history and business management. He’s a managing member and co-founder of LifeStyle Factory Homes, LLC, the parent company to MHProNews, and MHLivingNews.com.

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